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		<title>Comment on Hey, agile developers: the CMS is a different product from the website by Michael Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://cmsish.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/hey-agile-developers-the-cms-is-a-different-product-from-the-website/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kowalski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good post, David, thanks for the link]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, David, thanks for the link</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hey, agile developers: the CMS is a different product from the website by Michael Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://cmsish.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/hey-agile-developers-the-cms-is-a-different-product-from-the-website/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kowalski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha, good try. But no. Personas are a bit rubbish really. Let’s face it, they&#039;re more a rhetorical technique than anything else, a way of putting a veneer of user focus over your decisions without actually bothering to involve real people. They might have some utility on a consumer product where it could be difficult to corner live users; but on a CMS implementation you will generally have people in the house who are not merely representatives of the genus but are the &lt;em&gt;actual users themselves&lt;/em&gt;. Why wouldn’t you engage with them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, good try. But no. Personas are a bit rubbish really. Let’s face it, they&#8217;re more a rhetorical technique than anything else, a way of putting a veneer of user focus over your decisions without actually bothering to involve real people. They might have some utility on a consumer product where it could be difficult to corner live users; but on a CMS implementation you will generally have people in the house who are not merely representatives of the genus but are the <em>actual users themselves</em>. Why wouldn’t you engage with them?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hey, agile developers: the CMS is a different product from the website by scott_davis (@scott_davis)</title>
		<link>http://cmsish.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/hey-agile-developers-the-cms-is-a-different-product-from-the-website/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scott_davis (@scott_davis)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Jeremy has it right.  If the persona is appropriately represented, then we can make sure that we don&#039;t forget the needs of the CMS users.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jeremy has it right.  If the persona is appropriately represented, then we can make sure that we don&#8217;t forget the needs of the CMS users.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hey, agile developers: the CMS is a different product from the website by David Hobbs (@jdavidhobbs)</title>
		<link>http://cmsish.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/hey-agile-developers-the-cms-is-a-different-product-from-the-website/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Hobbs (@jdavidhobbs)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points.  The CMS itself definitely has its own set of stakeholders, and the CMS is going to be customized so it needs to be managed as a product to avoid becoming Frankenstein&#039;s monster.  This related post may be of interest: http://hobbsontech.com/content/web-product-management-cms-vs-website-product-management]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points.  The CMS itself definitely has its own set of stakeholders, and the CMS is going to be customized so it needs to be managed as a product to avoid becoming Frankenstein&#8217;s monster.  This related post may be of interest: <a href="http://hobbsontech.com/content/web-product-management-cms-vs-website-product-management" rel="nofollow">http://hobbsontech.com/content/web-product-management-cms-vs-website-product-management</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Hey, agile developers: the CMS is a different product from the website by Jeremy French (@JFrenchTweet)</title>
		<link>http://cmsish.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/hey-agile-developers-the-cms-is-a-different-product-from-the-website/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy French (@JFrenchTweet)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t this what personas are used for (http://zenagile.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/personas-in-agile/)? You may have the advantage with internal staff that the persona is a real person, but I don&#039;t know if a class of internal user should be treated differently to that of external users.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this what personas are used for (<a href="http://zenagile.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/personas-in-agile/" rel="nofollow">http://zenagile.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/personas-in-agile/</a>)? You may have the advantage with internal staff that the persona is a real person, but I don&#8217;t know if a class of internal user should be treated differently to that of external users.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You know what’s fun? by Lane</title>
		<link>http://cmsish.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/you-know-what%e2%80%99s-fun/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 17:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds fun to me. Half the people where I work might be out of a job if our work life were that sane and easy, but hey half of them will probably be out of a job anyway....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds fun to me. Half the people where I work might be out of a job if our work life were that sane and easy, but hey half of them will probably be out of a job anyway&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is WordPress a CMS? by PixelTunnelVision</title>
		<link>http://cmsish.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/is-wordpress-a-cms/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PixelTunnelVision]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 03:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a blog platform that can mimic a CMS when used in conjunction with a ton of plug-ins. It&#039;s a CMS in the sense that it&#039;s makeshift and duct-taped together. It&#039;s a cool platform, and themes can be gorgeous. But it&#039;s still not a true CMS, let alone the best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a blog platform that can mimic a CMS when used in conjunction with a ton of plug-ins. It&#8217;s a CMS in the sense that it&#8217;s makeshift and duct-taped together. It&#8217;s a cool platform, and themes can be gorgeous. But it&#8217;s still not a true CMS, let alone the best.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stupid rocket science and BaseKit by Brandon</title>
		<link>http://cmsish.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/stupid-rocket-science-and-basekit/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do agree to a certain extent with all the comments above. The web development community will go through a transition just as the introduction of CMS separated Groupies from the Rock Stars. Meaning true web developers vs ones who were over charging their clients for every little thing. Though it is going to be terribly hard for ISV&#039;s that are SaaS based to compete directly with the likes of Google&#039;s Website Builder, Siteforce by Salesforce etc. They are all integrated as CMS and SaaS platforms rolled into one. More so they can leverage their additional back-end services to start providing those App rich features. It is an interesting place to be sitting in. Sidebar: our website does convert PSD/GIMP directly into Wordpress/Drupal/Joomla making it easy for the new fresh creative themes to be built and has been doing so for years. Everyone has a different take on their hosted solutions and how to complete the last mile issue in web automation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree to a certain extent with all the comments above. The web development community will go through a transition just as the introduction of CMS separated Groupies from the Rock Stars. Meaning true web developers vs ones who were over charging their clients for every little thing. Though it is going to be terribly hard for ISV&#8217;s that are SaaS based to compete directly with the likes of Google&#8217;s Website Builder, Siteforce by Salesforce etc. They are all integrated as CMS and SaaS platforms rolled into one. More so they can leverage their additional back-end services to start providing those App rich features. It is an interesting place to be sitting in. Sidebar: our website does convert PSD/GIMP directly into WordPress/Drupal/Joomla making it easy for the new fresh creative themes to be built and has been doing so for years. Everyone has a different take on their hosted solutions and how to complete the last mile issue in web automation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Design vs content in digital magazines by Luke Hoyland</title>
		<link>http://cmsish.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/design-vs-content-in-digital-magazines/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke Hoyland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 07:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do wonder if &quot;adaptive design&quot; for multiple devices might have something going for it. 

Much like Michael Freeman talks about a discrete number of compositional archetypes in photography, Simon Esterson once joked to me that &quot;there are really only a dozen ways to lay out out a magazine page; probably fewer than seven for newspapers&quot;. Simon was probably just trying to reassure me about my undeniable lack of imagination when it comes to news design. But I took the idea to heart. 

I suspect that there are some underlying tenets about alignment, proportion and tone that are more science than art. If that&#039;s true, you could in theory have a machine identify which of those &quot;dozen&quot; platonic forms lies behind a particular layout, then apply an interpretation of that form appropriate to target devices, flavoured of course with the publisher&#039;s house style for typography, colour palettes, etc. 

Obviously we&#039;re not talking about content-led design - but maybe a certain flexibility based on some smart paradigms is a step up from a entirely content-agnostic template.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wonder if &#8220;adaptive design&#8221; for multiple devices might have something going for it. </p>
<p>Much like Michael Freeman talks about a discrete number of compositional archetypes in photography, Simon Esterson once joked to me that &#8220;there are really only a dozen ways to lay out out a magazine page; probably fewer than seven for newspapers&#8221;. Simon was probably just trying to reassure me about my undeniable lack of imagination when it comes to news design. But I took the idea to heart. </p>
<p>I suspect that there are some underlying tenets about alignment, proportion and tone that are more science than art. If that&#8217;s true, you could in theory have a machine identify which of those &#8220;dozen&#8221; platonic forms lies behind a particular layout, then apply an interpretation of that form appropriate to target devices, flavoured of course with the publisher&#8217;s house style for typography, colour palettes, etc. </p>
<p>Obviously we&#8217;re not talking about content-led design &#8211; but maybe a certain flexibility based on some smart paradigms is a step up from a entirely content-agnostic template.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Design vs content in digital magazines by Michael Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://cmsish.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/design-vs-content-in-digital-magazines/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kowalski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like interesting stuff you guys have been doing, in the &quot;smart layout&quot; camp. Hope you can reveal a bit more detail on your site soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like interesting stuff you guys have been doing, in the &#8220;smart layout&#8221; camp. Hope you can reveal a bit more detail on your site soon.</p>
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